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| caption = A rec.toys.lego message from late 1994 viewed in a Windows 3.1 [[Wikipedia:Newsreader (Usenet)|newsreader]] {{circa|1995}}
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| launch_date= {{ubl|January 1993 (ATL)|{{start date and age|10 January 1994}} (RTL)}}
| type = [[Wikipedia:Usenet|Usenet]] [[Wikipedia:Usenet newsgroup|newsgroup]]
| url = [news:rec.toys.lego rec.toys.lego]
| author = David Koblas (RTL)
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'''rec.toys.lego''' (often abbreviated '''RTL''')<ref>{{cite book |url=https://archive.org/details/outsideinnovatio0000seyb/page/392/mode/2up?view=theater |title=Outside Innovation: How Your Customers Will Co-Design Your Company's Future |first=Patricia B. |last=Seybold |year=2006 |publisher=[[Wikipedia:HarperCollins|HarperCollins]] |ISBN=0-06-113590-9 |p=392}}</ref> is a [[Wikipedia:Usenet|Usenet]] [[Wikipedia:Usenet newsgroup|newsgroup]] dedicated to the discussion of [[LEGO]] products and LEGO-compatible toys.<ref>{{cite book |url=https://archive.org/details/internetstarterk00engsrich/page/850/mode/2up?view=theater |title=Internet Starter Kit for Macintosh |edition=2nd |publisher=[[Wikipedia:Hayden Books|Hayden Books]] |year=1994 |first=Adam C. |last=Engst |ISBN=1-56830-111-1 |p=850}}</ref> It was one of the earliest online LEGO fan communities, starting in early 1993 as '''alt.toys.lego''' ('''ATL''')<ref name="Bender"/> before moving to the ''rec.*'' [[Wikipedia:Usenet newsgroup#Hierarchies|hierarchy]] one year later.

== History ==
The alt.toys.lego newsgroup was created in January 1993.<ref name="AFOL20"/>{{efn|name=ATL}} It was the first of a number of toy-related newsgroups in the ''alt.toy.*'' hierarchy; others created later in 1993 included alt.toys.hi-tech in May and alt.toys.[[Wikipedia:Transformers|transformers]] in September.<ref>{{cite newsgroup |url=https://groups.google.com/g/alt.toys.hi-tech/c/sBl0SQFCYCA/m/I5gp9BxM-8oJ |title=Create newsgroup alt.toys.hi-tech |author= USENET news |date=20 May 1993 |newsgroup=alt.toys.hi-tech |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20240425123724/https://groups.google.com/g/alt.toys.hi-tech/c/sBl0SQFCYCA/m/I5gp9BxM-8oJ |archive-date=25 April 2024 |url-status=live}}</ref><ref>{{cite newsgroup |url=https://groups.google.com/g/alt.toys.transformers/c/7eSYCY7FFLM/m/X-gM3J57C1UJ |author=Steven Mar |title=Transformers E-Mailing List |newsgroup=alt.toys.transformers |date=12 September 1993 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20240425124527/https://groups.google.com/g/alt.toys.transformers/c/7eSYCY7FFLM/m/X-gM3J57C1UJ |archive-date=25 April 2024 |url-status=live}}</ref> ATL received continuous activity soon after its creation; however, the [[Wikipedia:alt.* hierarchy|''alt.*'' hierarchy]] was not well-propagated due to many [[Wikipedia:Dial-up Internet access|dial-up]] [[Wikipedia:Internet service provider|Internet service providers]] not offering it to subscribers. Suggestions were made in many ''alt.*'' groups to migrate to one of the [[Wikipedia:Big 8 (Usenet)|Big 7]] hierarchies.<ref name="AFOL20"/> A new LEGO newsgroup under the ''rec.*'' (recreation) hierarchy was suggested in September 1993,{{efn|A rec.toys newsgroup had previously been suggested in news.groups in April 1993, though it had not been created.<ref>{{cite newsgroup |url=https://groups.google.com/g/news.groups/c/MRfAKwDRGtg/m/pUHEuJIF3hIJ |title=Test Baloon: rec.toys |author=E. Kontei |date=23 April 1993 | newsgroup=news.groups |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20240427091052/https://groups.google.com/g/news.groups/c/MRfAKwDRGtg/m/pUHEuJIF3hIJ |archive-date=27 April 2024 |url-status=live}}</ref>}} with the goal of making the community more accessible.<ref>{{cite newsgroup |url=https://groups.google.com/g/alt.toys.lego/c/1PI-5-HDGSk/m/wl6CqpCDCIYJ |title=A thought for discussion... |author=Ron Carter |date=16 September 1993 |newsgroup=alt.toys.lego |message-id=1993Sep16.185757.580@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20240427091754/https://groups.google.com/g/alt.toys.lego/c/1PI-5-HDGSk/m/wl6CqpCDCIYJ |archive-date=27 April 2024 |url-status=live}}</ref><ref>{{cite newsgroup |url=https://groups.google.com/g/alt.toys.lego/c/m6dXkpdZ6bY/m/nr2ZUDPDC3cJ |title=OK, how about a modified suggestion (trying to please all :-) |author=Ron Carter |date=18 September 1993 |newsgroup=alt.toys.lego |message-id=1993Sep18.053623.9898@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20240427095848/https://groups.google.com/g/alt.toys.lego/c/m6dXkpdZ6bY/m/nr2ZUDPDC3cJ |archive-date=27 April 2024 |url-status=live}}</ref>

On 14 October 1993, ATL user David Koblas drafted a proposal for the creation of rec.toys.lego and rec.toys.misc, both under a new ''rec.toys.*'' hierarchy.<ref name="RTM"/><ref name="RTL proposal">{{cite newsgroup |url=https://groups.google.com/g/alt.toys.lego/c/jr-vq7TSta8/m/ihgEiC4GMpUJ |title=RFD: rec.toys.lego and rec.toys.misc |first=David |last=Koblas |date=14 October 1993 |newsgroup=alt.toys.lego | message-id=rec.toys-RFD1@uunet.uu.net |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20240427092225/https://groups.google.com/g/alt.toys.lego/c/jr-vq7TSta8/m/ihgEiC4GMpUJ |archive-date=27 April 2024 |url-status=live}}</ref> The name ''rec.toys.construction'' was alternatively suggested as a more inclusive name that would allow for discussion of other [[Wikipedia:Construction set|construction toys]]. Koblas rejected this idea, as his original intention was to increase the LEGO newsgroup's readership by moving it out of the ''alt.*'' hierarchy, and he felt that the alternate name would not appeal to ATL's readers enough to draw them away from that newsgroup.<ref name="RTM"/><ref>{{cite newsgroup |url=https://groups.google.com/g/news.groups/c/S0RSFxA-Yhk/m/AjU3eXYJn6UJ |title=2nd RFD: rec.toys.lego vs rec.toys.construction (straw poll vote) |first=David |last=Koblas |date=16 November 1993 |newsgroup=news.groups |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20240428083242/https://groups.google.com/g/news.groups/c/S0RSFxA-Yhk/m/AjU3eXYJn6UJ |archive-date=28 April 2024 |url-status=live}}</ref> Voting for the two new groups began on 30 November and ended on 21 December.<ref>{{cite newsgroup |url=https://groups.google.com/g/alt.toys.lego/c/jr-vq7TSta8/m/AdX38CoNxnEJ |title=CFV: rec.toys.lego and rec.toys.misc |author=Ed Bailey |date=30 November 1993 |newsgroup=alt.toys.lego | message-id=rec.toys-CFV1@uunet.uu.net |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20240427102402/https://groups.google.com/g/alt.toys.lego/c/jr-vq7TSta8/m/AdX38CoNxnEJ |archive-date=27 April 2024 |url-status=live}}</ref><ref name="AFOL TL"/> The results were announced on 3 January 1994: 243 users voted, and both newsgroups passed overwhelmingly.<ref name="RTM"/> The new rec.toys.lego newsgroup was created on 10 January 1994 under the following [[Wikipedia:Usenet#Moderated and unmoderated newsgroups|charter]]:<ref name="AFOL TL"/>

{{blockquote |text=To provide a forum for the discussion of all things and experiences relating to the Lego(tm), Duplo(tm) and compatible construction toys. Including interesting models that one has built, experiences one has had using legos, or questions about how to build particular components.}}

As it was proposed alongside RTL, the rec.toys.misc newsgroup was originally described as covering "non-Lego toys topics, from {{sic|[[Wikipedia:Barbie|Barbi]]}} Dolls to [[Wikipedia:My Little Pony|My Little Pony]] gift sets." Its charter's wording was soon altered so that it would cover all toys that did not have their own newsgroup within the ''rec.toys.*'' hierarchy, without any reference to LEGO. Many other 'toy newsgroups were created in ''rec.*'' over the following years, although some like alt.toys.transformers remained active in ''alt.*''.<ref name="RTM"/> ATL was largely abandoned, though it continued to exist and receive occasional posts.<ref name="AFOL20"/>

== Notes ==
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{{efn|name=ATL|The earliest alt.toys.lego post archived on Google Groups is from 18 February 1993.<ref>{{cite newsgroup |url=https://groups.google.com/g/alt.toys.lego/c/r3QlephBq0k/m/gkN7Tr6Q6HoJ |title=Lego strategy game |newsgroup=alt.toys.lego |date=18 February 1993 |author=Daniel LaLiberte |archive-date=23 April 2024 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20240423104402/https://groups.google.com/g/alt.toys.lego/c/r3QlephBq0k/m/gkN7Tr6Q6HoJ |url-status=live}}</ref> An ''alt.*'' newsgroup listing from 5 February 1993 does not include alt.toys.lego;<ref>{{cite newsgroup |url=https://groups.google.com/g/alt.newgroup/c/Vo_Jd10lNto/m/uWKSud65ffIJ |title=Another listing of newsgroups in the "alt" Usenet hierarchy |author=The Society for Reviling ATnT |newsgroup=alt.newgroup |message-id=1993Feb5.160216.28597@becker.GTS.ORG |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20240428061839/https://groups.google.com/g/alt.newgroup/c/Vo_Jd10lNto/m/uWKSud65ffIJ |archive-date=28 April 2024 |url-status=live}}</ref> however, an archived message in alt.fan.warlord appears to reply to an ATL message dated 5 February 1993,<ref>{{cite newsgroup |url=https://groups.google.com/g/alt.fan.warlord/c/0tlUuNfG1mg/m/NDxvDY4pLacJ |title=Re: LegoLand in England?? |author=Nick Leverton |date=11 February 1993 |newsgroup=alt.fan.warlord |message-id=729421449snx@warren.demon.co.uk |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20240428040859/https://groups.google.com/g/alt.fan.warlord/c/0tlUuNfG1mg/m/NDxvDY4pLacJ |archive-date=28 April 2024 |url-status=live |quote=In alt.toys.lego, article <1993Feb5.122741.20548@bnr.uk> npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar) writes...}}</ref> and ATL is mentioned in a news.admin.policy message from 8 February.<ref>{{cite newsgroup |url=https://groups.google.com/g/news.admin.policy/c/oHfoOarG6Zw/m/0CpWejiaiKMJ |title=Re: Anonymous postings to non-personals newsgroups |author=Erik Olivers |date=8 February 1993 |newsgroup=news.admin.policy |message-id=1l6cqg$qm9@venus.haverford.edu |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20240428041815/https://groups.google.com/g/news.admin.policy/c/oHfoOarG6Zw/m/0CpWejiaiKMJ |archive-date=28 April 2024 |url-status=live}}</ref> Koblas's RTL proposal from October 1993 refers to ATL as having been active for nine months.<ref name="RTL proposal"/>}}
}}

== References ==
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<ref name="AFOL20">{{cite web |url=http://www.bricksetforum.com/discussion/11594/20th-anniversary-of-the-online-lego-community |title=20th Anniversary of the Online LEGO Community! |first=David |last=Eaton |date=July 25, 2013 |website=[[Brickset]] Forum |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20150625050417/http://www.bricksetforum.com:80/discussion/11594/20th-anniversary-of-the-online-lego-community |archive-date=June 25, 2015 |url-status=dead}}</ref>

<ref name="AFOL TL">{{cite web |url=http://www.suave.net/~dave/afol_history.pl?timeline=1 |title=The AFOL History Project |first=David |last=Eaton |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20210919201210/http://www.suave.net/~dave/afol_history.pl?timeline=1 |archive-date=2021-09-19 |url-status=dead}}</ref>

<ref name="Bender">{{cite book |url=https://archive.org/details/legolovestory0000bend/page/24/mode/2up?view=theater |title=LEGO: A Love Story |first=Jonathan |last=Bender |year=2010 |pages=24–25 |publisher=[[Wikipedia:John Wiley & Sons|John Wiley & Sons]] |ISBN=978-0-470-40702-8}}</ref>

<ref name="RTM">{{cite web |url=https://www.toymania.com/resources/usenet/toyhist.shtml |title=A Brief History of Toy-Related Usenet Newsgroups |first=Eric G. |last=Myers |date=1996 |website=Raving Toy Maniac |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20240425105223/https://www.toymania.com/resources/usenet/toyhist.shtml |archive-date=25 April 2024 |url-status=live}}</ref>
}}

== External links ==
* [https://groups.google.com/g/rec.toys.lego rec.toys.lego] on [[Wikipedia:Google Groups|Google Groups]]

[[Category:Online LEGO communities]]